DISEMBODIED SPIRITS

 

 If when you die and become a disembodied spirit this means you have no body. 

Does your spirit have eyes, ears, a nose, a tongue, can you wear a garment, or talk without a mouth and vocal cords or see anything without eyes ?  

According to the Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 the saints do not get a new spirit body until the resurrection when Jesus returns so at death we have no body. 

 Jesus said that no man ascends to heaven and I would think descends to hell either.  How can anyone feel pain from hell fire if they have no body ?  On the day of Pentecost the Apostle Peter spoke about King David and said that David’s grave was with them today and that David did not ascend into heaven. Acts2:34

When the saints are resurrected they will have a spirit body that makes them immortal so before they receive this spirit body they must be mortal. How can a mortal spirit live on after death ? 

 Yes, your human spirit is mortal just as your body is mortal.  Remember that GOD withheld immortality from Adam and Eve that was in the tree of life because of sin.  If either body or spirit was immortal then why must this mortal put on immortality ?  The soul is alive but a disembodied spirit is not.  

Humans are mortal, no one, not even the human Jesus was immortal, so how is it that if your mortal you can yet be alive ?  It’s not our spirit or our body that is immortal, it’s the spirit body we receive in the resurrection that makes us immortal.  It says this mortal must put on immortality.  This putting on immortality is compared by Paul to being clothed with this new spirit body. 2 Corinthians 5:1-4   1 Corinthians 15:42-44 and 53-54   Also Philippians 3:20-21  1 John 3:2 gives the time of this event as “when he appears”, the return of Christ.  

The Saints inherit the kingdom and immortality therefore before this they are only heirs not yet inheritors therefore at death we die as an heir waiting for our inheritance.   Ephesians 1:14  1 Peter 1:3-5  Daniel 12:13  Matthew 24:13  2 Timothy 4:7-8  Hebrews 9:15   No human being has ever been immortal and at death there is no life of any kind.  To live again and become immortal requires a resurrection from the dead.  

SOUL BODY SPIRIT LIFE DEATH RESURRECTION MORTAL IMMORTAL

 A spirit without a body is death. An angel has a spirit body. GOD doesn’t have a body, HE is pure spirit. How could GOD, who is omnipresent in eternity have a body ?  Scriptures that speak of GOD having certain body parts like humans do is anthropomorphism or attributing human characteristics to GOD.  This done to help finite humans comprehend the infinite. GOD could not communicate with humans on HIS level because HE is the highest and HIS thoughts and ways are so far above humans that humans would never understand.  Therefore GOD comes down to human level in HIS communication with humans using terminology humans would understand.  GOD designed humans to need a body to be alive when the human spirit is joined with the body it becomes a soul.  At death humans become a disembodied spirit but because this spirit has no body all of the normal actions of a living soul are not present.  A disembodied human spirit cannot see, taste, hear, talk, feel or smell because all of the necessary senses required are rotting in the ground.  Half a soul is not life.

 When GOD formed Adams body from the dust of the ground and before the breath of life came Adams body could do nothing, there was no life until the human spirit, the breath of life entered Adams body.  While we are a soul we are a living being but a disembodied spirit is only half of a soul.  It is only in the kingdom that these disembodied spirits will become like the angels with a spirit body that makes them immortal.  Mark 12:25  Luke 20:34-36  1 Corinthians 15:42-50  

There are certain people that think GOD makes exceptions for some people and that these people are somehow yet alive as a disembodied spirit. There is no scriptural evidence to support this idea.  The Bible explicitly says that the only way to live again after death is by a resurrection from the dead. Any scripture that seems to say otherwise is either a very bad translation, a deliberate alteration, improper punctuation or some combination of these.  All the prophets, Jesus and Apostles testify to this fact of the resurrection . 

 Oh, GOD can change HIS mind they say but GOD, who is omniscient, knows in eternity all things so why would HE need to “change HIS mind” ?  People who think this way don’t know or understand GODs attributes else they would never think such gibberish.  1 Corinthians 6:14  

One of these types talks about hermeneutics saying we need to take the plain words of scripture as the truth.  Well, the trinity is supported by hermeneutics and this person was able to see how scriptures were taken out of context or altered to support the lie of the trinity but this person seems unable to do this with the lie of immediate life after death. This persons hermeneutics is worthless and is the logic of carnal minds.The Holy Spirit of the FATHER is the interpreter of scripture not human hermeneutics and is able to overcome any butchering men have done to the scriptures to reveal the truth to HIS elect saints.  This person has never had this spiritual experience from GOD therefore he is carnal knowing nothing.   This person only recently came to understand the trinity is a lie but this is no indication that this person is converted having the indwelling spirit of GOD because the Jews have known the truth of one GOD for about 3,500 years but it hasn’t done any good for them at all.  It is extremely important to know there is only one GOD but this is not the message of the gospel. Since this person truly believes in immediate life after death in some fashion they ignorantly are preaching a false gospel.  If 98% of false Christianity thinks immediate life after death is true then that’s the first indication that it is a lie.  Whatever the false churches teach is a lie.  

THE CRY OF THE MARTYRS

  

In Revelation 6:9-11 is the account of the souls who were killed for their testimony.  The question here is are these martyrs alive or dead.  Many believe these are disembodied spirits are conscious and alive due their crying out.  If this section of scripture is literal then previously in Revelation 5:6 it is literally a slaughtered lamb that opens the fifth seal in Revelation 6:1  And there is literally a white horse whose rider held a bow and a crown was given to him a great sword , then he went out to conquer.  This is followed by three more literal horses of various colors with their riders who in sequence take peace from the earth, cause famine and killing with sword, famine, plague and beasts of the earth.  Then we come to the verses in question, the literal crying our of dead people who want their blood avenged and each receives a white robe but they have no body to put it on because they are disembodied spirits and they are told they must wait until the full number of their fellow saints would be killed as they were.  So then if we assume verses 9 to 11 are literal and not symbolic then we must also assume all the other seals are literal too. 

Revelation is a book that heavily employs symbolism and most people know this but the challenge is to separate the symbolism from reality and this is where for many people it proves to be impossible.  The same can be said of the parable of Lazarus and the rich man that also uses symbolism that is found in the false beliefs of the Pharisees that Jesus was speaking this parable to.  Jesus used their belief of what they considered to be the afterlife against them by giving the reward to Lazarus rather than the rich man. Another example is the transfiguration that Jesus plainly told his disciples was a vision and therefore not real. Did the kingdom of GOD arrive during this event ?  Was Christ glorified before his time as well as Moses and Elijah because Jesus was glorified at his ascension and Moses and Elijah will be at the last day when Jesus returns.

When the spiritually ignorant read scriptures in the Bible that seem to indicate immediate life after death they fall for them and are very willing to abandon the truth of GOD about resurrections from the dead in order to believe in their lie.  They will throw out the plain declarations of the prophets, Jesus and the Apostles about the resurrection of the dead at the return of Jesus in order to cling to their Satan inspired lie.  

Without the Holy Spirit they cannot understand these things so they invent whatever they want that pleases them.  

ARE THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS STILL VALID TODAY OR HAS GOD CHANGED HIS MIND ABOUT WHAT THE PROPHETS WROTE CONCERNING LIFE DEATH AND RESURRECTION

 There are many scriptures in the Old Testament that plainly say that the dead are not alive and sleep the sleep of death being totally unconscious.  There are some who say these words by the prophets have been changed by GOD and don’t apply to us today and they use the transfiguration, the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, 1 Peter 3:18-21 and others to prove this.  GODS attributes of omnipotence and omniscience should show us that GOD doesn’t need to change HIS mind about anything.  It is necessary to examine what Jesus and the Apostles say about this idea.

2 Peter 3:1-2 “This second epistle beloved I write to you in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance.  That you be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets and the commandment of us Apostles of the Lord and Savior.”

2 Peter 1:19 “And so we have the prophetic word made sure to which you would do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.  Knowing this first that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation for prophecy never came by the will of man but holy men of GOD spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.”

Romans 1:2 “the gospel HE promised beforehand through HIS prophets in the holy scriptures.”

Ephesians 3:5 “which was not made known in other generations as it has now been revealed by the spirit of GODS holy Apostles and prophets.”

Acts 3:21 “whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things about which GOD spoke by the mouth of all HIS holy prophets since the world began.”

Well, these are only a few scriptures that to me establish the sureness of the testimony of the prophets.  Peter reveals that all the prophets were not speaking to people of their day or for themselves but to the church. 

1 Peter 1:12 “It was revealed to them (the prophets) that they were not serving themselves but you (the church) when they spoke of the things that have now been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven, things angels desire to look into.”

All the words of the holy prophets are still valid today, even those that describe the state of the dead being that of unconscious nothingness.  That there is no immediate life after death. The truth of GOD had always been in both old and new testaments that the ONLY way to live again after death is by a resurrection from the dead at the return of Christ.  

Any other teachings that contradicts or alters this truth are from Satan.  This lie of Satan is not part of the gospel but of Satans first lie, “You shall not surely die.”  The elect of GOD are to be in agreement on all spiritual things with no divisions among us and all of us speaking the same thing.  Anyone calling themself a brother but thinks there is immediate life after death is a deceived person.  This deceived brother needs to repent and accept the truth if GOD will have mercy on him and grant him repentance. 

 James 5:20 “Let him know that the one who has turned a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.”  

The brother, more than likely a babe, needs correction from the mature brethren, but if he rejects loving correction then what ?

Romans 16:17 “I urge you brothers and sisters to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.”

Titus 3:10-11 “Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition knowing that such a man is corrupt and sinful and self condemned.”

2 John 1:9 “Whoever transgresses and does not remain in the teaching of Christ does not have GOD but the one who remains in the teaching has both the FATHER and the son.”

1 Timothy 6:3 “If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words even the words of the Lord Jesus Christ and with doctrine conforming to Godliness they are proud knowing nothing but is obsessed with dispute and arguments over words from which come envy, strife, evil suspicions.”

GODS elect will in love try to explain the truth to a confused brother but if that brother refuses to hear and continues his rant about a false belief then it is time to rebuke him.  Titus 3:10 

 Usually a person rebuked is offended and withdraws himself from fellowship rather than realize his error when the  brethren attempt in love to help him see the truth.  This is a sad thing but this person isn’t lost but may have to be in the millennium or second resurrection to see the truth if GOD doesn’t want him now.   If the brother repents and desires to return to fellowship then let him and consider the matter over and done.  

WAS JESUS CHRIST IMMORTAL ?

 

The penalty for our sin is death.  This death is easily proven to be one of a mortal human where the spirit leaves the body, then the body rots to dust and the unconscious spirit returns to GOD.  In order to be the substitute payment for human sin Jesus would have to die in the exact same way as all humans do otherwise the penalty would not be paid .   Jesus took upon himself our death sentence so the death we die Jesus died also.  Just like all human beings the soul of Jesus separated and his spirit went to GOD but his body did not rot or decay and actually healed while dead because after his resurrection he appeared to many and no one seemed shocked by his appearance.  Remember, Jesus was whipped so bad his visage was marred , Isaiah 52:14 , yet after 3 days and 3 nights the FATHER resurrected Jesus and Jesus was alive again, a soul again.  You have to be a soul in order to be alive.  All this information proves that Jesus was not still alive after he died but was indeed dead just as any of us when we die. 

 Humans are mortal and Jesus was human therefore Jesus was mortal.  Humans have a human spirit called the spirit in man and this spirit is what makes us human so if Jesus was human then he had to have a human spirit.  

To live after dying would mean your immortal but scriptures testify humans are mortal. Jesus could only live again after he died because the FATHER resurrected him otherwise Jesus would still be dead and we yet in our sins and condemned to death.  

There are certain scriptures that spiritually ignorant people use to “prove” immediate life after death but these ignorant do not understand these scriptures because they don’t have the Holy Spirit. There are many things ignorant false Churches teach the carnal people who attend them that are lies.  Only the elect of GOD understand spiritual things because they are taught to us by GOD through Jesus. Matthew 13:11 The FATHERS Spirit is able to reveal HIS truth to HIS elect no matter how much unconverted Satanically inspired men have perverted the scriptures.  This is why GODS elect are confident in what they know and believe.  We elect, by the power of the FATHERS Spirit through Jesus, are being taught in the same way as the prophets and Apostles, by divine revelation. The Apostle John recorded this fact in 1 John 2:27  and by Jesus in John 14:13,26  Therefore preachers, ministers, pastors, popes and all human ministries are unnecessary and have been abolished after the death of the Apostle John. Ezekiel 34:10   Jeremiah 23:1   John 10:12-13   Isaiah 56:11 

It is by this connection to GOD through Jesus that we know Jesus was mortal and died exactly the same way we do and was resurrected by the FATHER to life again. Revelation 1:18   If life after death was immediate all humans and the human Jesus would be immortal and the resurrection a lie.  Hebrews 2:17 Jesus had to be created by GOD to be fully human in every physical way.  It should be obvious that spiritually Jesus was far above us because Jesus had a greater anointing of GODS spirit than anyone else has ever had.  

Hebrews 1:9  The GOD of the Elohim Jesus, set Jesus above his companions by anointing Jesus with more the oil of gladness. 

This oil of gladness is referring to the Holy Spirit.

The human spirit of Jesus was incapable of sin therefore his human body was the perfect sacrifice for our sins.  The human spirit of Christ was one with his GOD and this oneness is what we elect of GOD are destined to become.  This acquiring of the state of oneness for the elect happens when we are changed at the return of Jesus in the first resurrection.  Until then we are to bear fruit to GOD by surrendering ourselves to GODS working power of love in us to truly love GOD and neighbor. If we endure to the end of our lives in doing this we will be made immortal and incapable of sin.  

The elect are said to have everlasting life abiding in them which gives the spiritually ignorant the idea we are immoral now.  Everlasting life is a gift from GOD to the elect and is dependent on our surrendering ourselves to GOD and obeying the gospel, growing in grace and knowledge and overcoming.  The elect see GODS promise of immortality as a sure thing because GOD cannot lie therefore we speak of everlasting life as though we already have it when we know it is yet future in the resurrection.  This method of speaking is called prophetic present tense, that is like the way GOD speaks, Romans 4:17 (last part) “calls those things which do not exist as though they do”  It seems that all of GODS people have at times spoken in this way.  The ignorant do not understand these things and in their carnal minds invent the immortal soul lie or some form of instant life after death. 

No human being as two natures unless they are either converted elect with the holy spirt or demonically possessed. If Jesus was created by GOD and was human did Jesus have a nature just like ours ?  When GOD created Adam, Adams nature was innocent and ignorant of sin because he had not yet sinned by eating the forbidden fruit that opened his eyes to understand good and evil.  At his creation Adam could not sin but later became a sinner, this is a change of nature, a nature that all humans now have, the nature of evil acquired from Satan.  Jesus is called the second Adam but Jesus was the messiah who was created by GOD incapable of sin so that the sacrifice of his life would be more than enough to pay for our sins.  The virgin birth separated Jesus from Adam so that Adams sin did not pass on to Jesus.  Jesus and Adam were like brothers because their FATHER was GOD.  The spiritually ignorant think Jesus was dual natured, both GOD and man, but I would ask how many other human beings are the same, are all humans both GOD and man ?  Jesus was indeed 100% human but he was 0% GOD. Jesus had GODS character of love and righteousness but none of GODS attributes of omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient or eternal existence.  If no human is also GOD then Jesus the human was not GOD either.  Jesus was a human man who was totally filled with the spirit of GOD and was especially created by GOD to be the messiah. There was nothing about Jesus  when he was human that was immortal.  

ANNOUNCEMENT ABOUT BLOG STATISTICS

 

As of yesterday the only other article that has made it to the all time viewing list was an article by Ray called “Overcoming Sin”.  Today an article by J has joined the list. J’s article Two Different Deaths is now the second article by a contributing author to be on the all time list of articles read.  Congratulations J.  

KEL IS WRONG AGAIN

 Jesus said not to fear him who could destroy the body but rather HIM who can destroy both body and spirit in hell.  Matthew 10:28   Hell in this verse is referring to the lake of fire, the second death. 

According to Kel there is no human spirit but the spirit in us is GODS spirit.  Would GOD destroy HIMSELF in hell ?  All humans have a human spirit and GODS spirit bears witness with our human spirit. Romans 8:16   If man is made in the image and likeness of GOD then just what is there about humans that is this image and likeness ?  There are only two parts that make a soul, the dust or body and the breath or spirit.  Which  one of these could be said to be in GODS image and likeness ?  John 4:24 declares that GOD is spirit and we humans have a spirit therefore it is the human spirit that is in GODS image and likeness.  What part of a human enters the kingdom of GOD ?  Is it our body or our spirit ?  Hebrews 12:23 “the spirits of just men made perfect”

Scripture does say there is a spirit in man and that this human spirit is our mind, our thoughts and intents and is our connection to GOD.  Job 32:8  1 Corinthians 2:11-12   Romans 8:16  Kel says humans are not a spirit but only living dust and Kel confidently says, “GOD said so”, and his statement is false because GOD said we are a living soul, not living dust.  Well, dust isn’t living its animated by the human spirit, Jesus said it is the spirit that gives life the body profits nothing.  John 6:63  

 To be alive means to be aware and conscious and able to function in a body.  The human spirit at death is not destroyed but enters a state of unconsciousness and unawareness until the resurrection.  Since the body of dust that Kel says is living dust is not alive of itself then Kels living dust is an oxymoron as well as a corruption of scripture. Dust is matter and matter has no life at all.  The human body only appears to be living because of the presence of the human spirit.  James said the body without the spirit is dead.  

When GOD formed Adams body there was no life in that dust.  The human spirit, the breath of life, was required to give the body the appearance of life.  Notice the life is in the breath, GOD doesn’t breathe therefore this is not GODS spirit that makes the soul alive, it is a spirit designed by GOD requiring breath.  The souls of human beings are kept alive by breath, Genesis 7:22   Isaiah 2:22   Job 27:3 but this verse is better translated “the breath from GOD is in my nostrils”  because remember GOD doesn’t breathe.  Acts 17:25 “GOD gives to all life and breath”  Zechariah 12:1 “and forms the spirit of man within him.” A spirit that is not GODS spirit but a spirit designed by GOD requiring breath to be alive, to be a soul. Remember that even lower animals require a spirit that isn’t GODS spirit. Kel said that if humans were a spirit we would be immortal but in this statement Kel is obviously ignorant of just what a soul is and how GOD designed the soul, the body of dust and a spirit of breath created for each kind, Genesis 1:25 “And GOD made the beast of the earth according to its kind, and cattle according to its kind and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind and GOD saw that it was good.”

Now Kels teaching is absolutely wrong.  All humans are a spirit in a mortal body. The body suffers corruption and cannot enter the kingdom of GOD.  1 Corinthians 15:39-49   GODS saints will receive a spirit body and this is what makes them immortal because the human spirit by itself is not immortal but as stated before at death becomes unconscious and unaware which is not what life is.  This unconscious human spirit needs a body that is incorruptible, a spirit body, in order to become immortal.  This mortal must put on immortality. This corruption must put on incorruption. 1 Corinthians 15:35-49  read these verses carefully.

Even animals are souls requiring the breath of life to be alive.  Each animal has a spirit that is programmed by GOD to match the animal. Each animal’s spirit is unique to its body, each after its own kind.  GOD is the creator of all spirits and each spirit has its own body. The lower animals operate purely on instinct, a preprogrammed behavior GOD placed in them.  Horses don’t climb trees, cats don’t chase cars, elephants don’t fly and no other animal except man can build a spacecraft to travel to the moon and back.  At death the animal spirit along with its body is destroyed but a human spirit that was created by GOD to have the potential of a relationship with GOD is preserved in a dormant state until a resurrection from the dead.  The other animals do not have this potential.  Kel used a flashlight to demonstrate that humans are living dust but in his explanation he fails to see that what makes the flashlight shine is spirit not dust. It is also true that when the batteries are removed from the flashlight that neither flashlight or batteries can do anything thus showing their is no immediate life after death. The saints need a new flashlight, a new spirit body that their human spirit can dwell in. 

Kel, you do a decent job in proving the trinity is a lie but in almost everything else you say you are wrong. You fancy yourself to be a biblical expert but in reality are a novice at best.  I credit your biblical ignorance to your working alone in your studies of scripture and have no one to challenge you, no one to say, “hey Kel but what about this ?”  This is a very serious handicap that leads you to error in your conclusions.  You are only one witness in yourself and the word of one witness is useless and worthless, Deuteronomy 19:15  for in a multitude of counselors there is safety, Proverbs 11:14,  and in two or three witnesses is a matter established.